"not you" : kudos to your posting the Mill citation. You forgot to include this tidbit from the same quote that you edited:"When a people are used as mere human instruments for firing cannon or thrusting bayonets, in the service and for the selfish purposes of a master, such war degrades a people." This seems to fit the current pointless bloodletting exercise in Iraq.Your "fun facts" (I'm glad you liked my earlier terminology) will take a while to read, so give me a few more days to point out your latest distortions.and for "edge", i've been meaning to ask, just what "course" are you suggesting Messrs. Bush et al are staying? Is it the :forget about the UN, we'll go at it alone" or the "we need the UN to clean up the mess we've made;" is it the "Old Europe and France are no longer necessary" or the "we love Europe and the French," is it "democracy in Iraq" or "let's high tail it out of there before anyone notices we're leaving"... which course, dear "edge" are you talking about. Tell you wehat, why don't YOU go to Iraq and stay the "course" and let anyone there who wants to come back, do so. Here's another one for you: a prediction. The current government will collapse within six months and all you-know-what will break loose. And our young will continue to bleed, just so that you and other very very confused people can hold your heads "proud" and proclaim you're "staying the course."